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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain just south of

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area 51

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my name is ryan the original outlaw of

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the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode today

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on today's episode we have someone i

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have wanted to talk to for quite some

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time april slaughter

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owner and ceo at the slaughterhouse

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collective llc

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author of ghost hunting texas

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reaching beyond the veil

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and disconnected from death the

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evolution of funerary customs and the

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unmasking of death in america

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she is also the artist behind slaughter

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skulls and slaughter designs all

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available on

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aprilslaughter.com

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april is a longtime utah investigator of

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the paranormal with a lot of experience

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under her belt but utah's not the only

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place she's investigated she's

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investigated all over the place

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whether it be chasing ghosts skinwalkers

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or ufos april has done it so buckle up

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and prepare for some great conversation

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today

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i have had the pleasure of investigating

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with april in the past and can say she

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is the real deal

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lots to offer and a very knowledgeable

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source of information i couldn't be more

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excited about the guest today and i know

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the show is going to rock

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april welcome to the hero paranormal

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podcast

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thank you for having me i really

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appreciate it

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so i have been looking forward to

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talking to you for some time um

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you've been up to a whole lot of stuff

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uh you've got you know the slaughter

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skulls slaughter designs your website's

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amazing before we get into things can

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you tell our guests where they can get

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your books and where they can keep up

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with everything you've got going on

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well you can find me on any of the

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social media platforms uh just april

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slaughter and of course i have april

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slaughter.com

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um i you can reach out to me by email as

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well and that's just april slaughter at

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icloud.com

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i love hearing from people i love

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talking them about my various projects

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you can find my books either on my

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website or through

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awesome love it all and um i think

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currently you are based in texas is that

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correct april

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no i've been back in utah for about uh

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it's been about 10 years now i was in

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texas for a little while uh but i i did

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move back to the state about 10 years

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ago oh my gosh see it's been too long

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that we've talked um long time yeah

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that is so cool well you have definitely

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a ton of experience in utah

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with things all over the place i know

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you've gone to a lot of haunted

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locations and done research

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as well as the uinta basin where where

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did we kick off here where should we

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well i think the most uh recent um theme

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that people seem to be most interested

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in is

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skin walker ranch or the ui basin here

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in northeastern utah

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it was something that i've

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researched for upwards of about 15 years

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now but didn't really get a lot of

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attention back

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when i first started doing it not many

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people really knew that much about it

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they weren't really familiar uh with it

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and so you know i'd written some

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articles and whatnot for the magazine i

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was currently working for at the time

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and just kind of let it go i just kind

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of put it in the back of my mind and

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went on to other things but with the

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show on the history channel the secret

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of skinwalker ranch people started to

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get

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more interested in the subject again and

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started reaching out to me and uh have

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asked that i share

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my story so that's something that's

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happened recently that i haven't been

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quite used to so it's really nice to

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actually have a platform to to share

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that with people now

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so true it is something that has really

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kind of been in the recesses in the past

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and now it just seems like it's on the

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forefront well let's kick off there i

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think that's a great place to kick off i

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know you've been to the area and had

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some experiences let's delve into them

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sure um well i initially my first trip

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out to the area

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to the to skinwalker specifically was in

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october of 2006 i believe and so it's

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been it's been a minute um and that

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first visit to the area was i was

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actually not on the ranch i believe i

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was on the property that you now own

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when i first visited that borders the

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ranch yep

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and so i was taken out there by my

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friend uh who we lovingly call alien

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dave rosenfeld i believe he's a friend

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of yours as well yeah and he was the one

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that connected us i think initially

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um and you know i got to talking to him

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about skinwalker i read the book by

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kelleher knapp and hunt for the

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skinwalker and you know dave said he

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knew where where this place was and he'd

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be willing to take me out there and so i

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jumped at the chance to go and

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from the moment i decided to go until i

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came back home from that experience it

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was just

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a surreal sort of thing um

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there was a group of six of us that dave

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escorted out to to the southern border

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of skinwalker ranch and we decided to

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camp out there but on the way from salt

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lake city to

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the basin we got pulled over twice

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police or our sheriff's deputies and we

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weren't speeding we didn't have lights

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out there was no reason to pull us over

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which is kind of odd it was kind of

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seemed to me like hmm i wonder if they

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know we're coming out there because at

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the time it was still a huge kind of big

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secreted thing it wasn't there was no tv

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show there was you know peop the locals

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really didn't even want people to know

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where this place was and so it kind of

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put me on edge that okay well i'm

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already being asked why i'm headed out

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to

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the basin uh by police officers and i

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wasn't a stranger to the basin um i

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spent most of my summers growing up out

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there with with cousins and family so

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and had had weird experiences so to me

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it was normal to be going out there but

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it seemed like something just kind of

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knew we were coming

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so we get to the property we set up for

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the evening

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it was in october and you know waited

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for for night to fall and just started

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kind of surveilling over the homesteads

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from the southern end of the property

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all of us now i have to uh

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put an asterisk on this that

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out of the six of us that were there all

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of us had vastly different experiences

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um and i don't discount anybody else's

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uh recalling of the incidents but

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uh mine were quite a bit different than

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some of the things that have been

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reported in the past so um at the time i

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was dating an individual who was

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in

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what he called chaos magic or

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what i would call black magic things to

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kind of disrupt or upset

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and that's not something that i i

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condone at all it's not something i i

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practice

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sure i do a lot of research into it but

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i it's not something that i i delve into

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and so he and a buddy of his that was

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there with us decided they wanted to

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carve or scratch what we call sigils

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symbols that are supposed to invoke some

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sort of energetic response out of the

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environment

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into the dirt on the on the ranch

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and i wanted no part of that whatsoever

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so they they went kind of climbed down

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onto the ranch property and and did that

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uh oblivious to me i

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had no part in it

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and then we just kind of sat there

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thinking nothing would really happen

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until things really did start to happen

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we had all different kinds of

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surveillance we had night vision we had

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binoculars we had video cameras all that

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kind of stuff and we were just watching

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over homestead one

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um and strange lights

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i believe there were blue and orange

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lights from what i can remember just

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started acting strangely in the sky

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above homestead one they weren't

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flying toward us they weren't doing it

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they were just lights it looked like

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probably big firefly lights kind of over

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the homestead and okay that's

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interesting to me that was you know wow

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i'm seeing something i don't know what

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it is um but me being the skeptical

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researcher that i am kept thinking

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okay well if someone did know we were

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coming out here they could have

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flashlights or they could have something

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rigged up out there i'm constantly

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trying to figure out how people are

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are conning

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in paranormal uh situations because

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people do that unfortunately they they

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do want to create something and they

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and they want to

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kind of trick people so watching this i

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couldn't figure out how

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how these lights were happening but they

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weren't

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really off-putting i just thought this

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is interesting

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we were just sitting there in the dark

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looking up the sky in the in the basin

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especially on a clear night it's the

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most beautiful sky stars you could see

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and there was not a cloud in the sky

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that night we were all just kind of

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looking up toward the sky and right

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above us

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i would say about 300 feet

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in a rectangular type shape from what i

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there was

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no stars stars all around that shape but

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directly above us there was just

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blackness there was nothing there was no

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spacecraft there was nothing it was just

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a void and we heard

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uh like a whirring type noise above us

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and we just kind of all sat there and

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looked at it and then within

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a minute or so it was just gone it

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didn't fly off it didn't disappear it

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just the stars reappeared and the noise

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was gone

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and and during that whole thing we

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experienced shifts of emotion erratic

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but pretty universal so one minute the

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group would be yelling at each other for

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no reason and then the next minute we'd

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be laughing about something ridiculous

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and then the next we'd totally ignore

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each other and

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it just seemed to have control over our

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emotions um without us really having any

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say sure in that uh and so this is the

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point where i started to get really sort

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of

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nervous that there was something

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sentient kind of

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uh aware of us and messing with us i

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guess and um i looked back because i

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heard something behind one of the

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vehicles that was behind my truck

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and there was this tall figure it looked

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like a human

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much taller than any human i've met

298
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well over seven feet tall at least and i

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just thought as a shadow person kind of

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peeking out from behind

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this truck and and just kind of looking

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at us in our direction didn't see any

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features no no eyes no no nothing like

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that

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but my boyfriend at the time uh

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you know we just kind of looked at each

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other and i said are you seeing this are

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you seeing the same thing that i'm

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seeing

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and he said he was

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except

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he's like what are all those things

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flying off of it and i'm like what

314
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i didn't understand what he meant by

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that because i didn't see that

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but he had seen this figure as this you

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know shadow person but it had little

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little things flying off of it and back

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into it which he kind of explained to me

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at the time looked like little squids

321
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yeah kind of flying off of it and then

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coming back and flying off of it and

323
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coming back and he was

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terrified and i'm just looking i'm like

325
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i'm not seeing what you're saying like

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what what is it i just see this this

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thing

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behind the truck and then all of a

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sudden he

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pulls his his hand to his face like he'd

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been hit like something that slapped him

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in the face and he grabbed his his nose

333
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in his mouth

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and and

335
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i was like what what just happened to

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you and he said something flew into my

337
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head

338
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whoa um what like i didn't i was like i

339
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didn't see anything what are you talking

340
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about i thought he was being

341
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melodramatic as he sometimes could be um

342
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and i just didn't i just didn't have

343
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that experience so i was like okay what

344
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whatever maybe a bug flew up your nose

345
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or something i i don't know what it is

346
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you think you experienced but i totally

347
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dismissed it

348
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and just kind of

349
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you know watch this figure kind of fade

350
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out it didn't walk away didn't fly away

351
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it just wasn't there anymore kind of

352
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like the the thing in the sky

353
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so as we

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start focusing on other stuff he started

355
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complaining on about a headache and that

356
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he was not feeling very well and we were

357
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looking out over homestead too

358
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and the best thing i can the best way i

359
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can describe what i saw

360
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was if you've ever seen the movie

361
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predator that that kind of liquidy

362
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movement

363
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sure yeah you saw that in front of

364
00:13:06,949 --> 00:13:05,360
homestead too it's like somebody put

365
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vaseline over my eyes and it just kind

366
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of i couldn't see detail but i knew it

367
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wasn't in my eyes i was looking at it

368
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and that stayed

369
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i don't know i think somebody got

370
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footage of that but nobody seems to be

371
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able to know where that footage is now

372
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um

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and then we focused on homestead 3 which

374
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i had seen earlier when we were setting

375
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up camp through through our different um

376
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optic devices and then it was gone it

377
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was like somebody had photoshopped it

378
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right out of the landscape like there

379
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there was nothing of it there

380
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which was really odd to me um

381
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and so

382
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by this time by the time we've seen all

383
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of these things happening and and my

384
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boyfriend had this experience with his

385
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face and

386
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whatnot we were all so tired

387
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uh it was probably three or four in the

388
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morning before we called it a night and

389
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we crawled into our tents our respective

390
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tents there was two of us in each tent

391
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and uh me and my boyfriend went to sleep

392
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and

393
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i woke up the next morning with not only

394
00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:04,320
my boyfriend but a couple other people

395
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in the group

396
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,440
like forcefully waking me up like

397
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shaking me and saying my name and i just

398
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:11,600
was like what is the deal

399
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so i wake up i come to um but i i was in

400
00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:15,760
a fetal position at the bottom of my

401
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sleeping bag which i would never sleep

402
00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:19,199
that way i don't like anything covering

403
00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:21,199
my face when i'm asleep so

404
00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:22,720
being in that position was weird and

405
00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:25,360
being woken up uh i'm a light sleeper so

406
00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:27,360
that anyone would have to like shake me

407
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:29,519
was kind of disconcerting

408
00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:32,000
um and as i came to

409
00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:33,680
you know my boyfriend said where did you

410
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,800
go last night

411
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like okay

412
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:37,440
i didn't go anywhere what are you

413
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:39,440
talking about i've been here all night

414
00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:40,320
whoa

415
00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:41,760
and he said no

416
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,560
you weren't i woke up thinking that

417
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,480
maybe you needed to use the restroom or

418
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:48,480
something and you were gone for like an

419
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:50,800
hour and a half like okay stop like

420
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,040
don't mess with me this isn't funny

421
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,079
i haven't gone anywhere i feel fine

422
00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:58,320
and he said no no you were gone and i

423
00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:00,560
really didn't even believe anything that

424
00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:01,680
they were saying i thought they were

425
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:03,920
just pulling a prank on me until i

426
00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,760
looked over at my boots on the inside of

427
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:07,040
the tent

428
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:09,360
and they were covered in mud which where

429
00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,880
we were camping there was no water

430
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,800
source there was no i mean it was dry

431
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,320
there was nothing

432
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:16,800
nothing there was no place for me to

433
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:19,519
to step in mud um

434
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:21,440
and

435
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:23,120
i wouldn't know until much later many

436
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:24,480
years down the road that there was water

437
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,480
nearby it was just actually on the ranch

438
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,800
there was a creek right i forget what

439
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:30,639
it's called is it dry gulch creek yeah

440
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:33,279
yeah it's called yep um

441
00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:34,639
but

442
00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:36,160
you know i thought okay maybe somebody

443
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,800
put mud on my boots but nobody had had

444
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,639
mentioned that to me as sort of evidence

445
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:42,560
that i was gone so i kind of just went

446
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:44,560
all right whatever

447
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:46,079
why didn't you come looking for me if

448
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,680
you thought i was gone for 90 minutes

449
00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:49,759
and and the answer was pretty pretty

450
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,519
simple you know i've been able to handle

451
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:53,440
myself in a lot scarier situations they

452
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,560
thought maybe i just had to use the

453
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,480
restroom and they were all so tired they

454
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,639
just went back to sleep and so that

455
00:16:01,430 --> 00:16:00,480
seemed reasonable to me

456
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:01,440
and

457
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,880
the next day

458
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,240
that same day when i had woken up and

459
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,720
was told i had been gone

460
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,720
we decided to hike skinwalker ridge as a

461
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:10,320
group

462
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:11,279
which

463
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:14,160
i did but i did it without any sort of

464
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,680
it's like i had boundless energy it was

465
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,519
the strangest thing i i

466
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,839
hadn't hiked a lot back then i do now

467
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,440
but i didn't get out of breath the sun

468
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,880
didn't bother me didn't get sunburned

469
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,120
which i'm totally susceptible to

470
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,440
didn't need water didn't need resting

471
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:29,040
none of my muscles ached it was just

472
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:29,759
like

473
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,480
could have done anything that day and

474
00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:36,480
we saw some strange

475
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:38,320
movement could have been red dogs could

476
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:39,839
have been something i don't know what it

477
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,360
was but something running along the

478
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:43,680
ridge in the middle of the day

479
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:46,240
and when we called it you know to head

480
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,600
back to salt lake i thought that would

481
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:48,720
be the end of

482
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:49,839
my

483
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,639
skin walker ranch experience

484
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,240
you know it wasn't everybody had their

485
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:57,040
own versions of events of that night and

486
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,560
they didn't really

487
00:17:01,829 --> 00:17:00,240
match up it caused some confliction

488
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:01,839
between the group and

489
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,319
and you know i went back off to do my

490
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,559
other investigations and and

491
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,559
my work and i'm a mom to twin daughters

492
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:10,799
uh one with special needs so my focus

493
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,559
was kind of pulled away and

494
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:14,480
about life until

495
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,559
i was in i believe i was in texas at the

496
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,880
time i had just i was visiting utah when

497
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,319
i visited the ranch and then i was

498
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,919
living in texas and

499
00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:22,959
um

500
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,400
when i was back in texas i was in

501
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:26,319
walmart with

502
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:29,039
my twin daughters they were young and

503
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,559
just shopping

504
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,880
and i two guys came up to me in an aisle

505
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:34,400
one of the food aisles

506
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,600
and they look like they might have been

507
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,120
like mormon missionary types but they

508
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:39,360
didn't have the name tags

509
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,559
they just said hey are you april

510
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,720
slaughter and every once in a while not

511
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:44,320
often i'm not saying i'm famous or

512
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:45,840
anything but in some places people know

513
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,760
who i am and so i thought maybe they got

514
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,200
a book or something and

515
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,840
so i said yeah i made a slaughter

516
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,919
and they said never go back to the ranch

517
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,039
again

518
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:56,880
and this was a couple months later

519
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,640
i was like what do you mean you mean

520
00:18:01,510 --> 00:18:00,080
skin like in my head like what are you

521
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,520
talking about

522
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,160
and they were very stern and uh they

523
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:06,400
stood very close to me and said do not

524
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,520
ever

525
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:09,360
go back

526
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:11,120
to the ranch again and then they walked

527
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,480
off and

528
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:14,400
my mom instincts were just put

529
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,880
myself between them and my kids so i

530
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:18,799
just i didn't chase after these people i

531
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,799
didn't i just was floored i'm like i'm

532
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,039
in texas this is months later why am i

533
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:25,919
being approached by strangers

534
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:28,400
telling me never to go back um i didn't

535
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,919
and i just didn't

536
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,360
i just didn't try to find out what that

537
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,120
was about i was like okay fine message

538
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,640
received i don't want any danger coming

539
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,080
to me or my kids

540
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:39,200
so i'll just never go back all right

541
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,320
and then i did but it was years

542
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,320
it was actually september of last year

543
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,400
that i actually got to go nice uh back

544
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:48,320
to the ranch uh and i can't really

545
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,679
expound there

546
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,000
nowhere later down the road but

547
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,840
uh it's kind of come full circle it's a

548
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,720
strange a strange thing to have had that

549
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:58,559
experience and nobody really

550
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,320
pay much attention to it until all of a

551
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,160
sudden now people are like dying to hear

552
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:04,320
the story so that's what happened to me

553
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:05,520
wow

554
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:07,919
and you know the area is a beautiful

555
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:10,640
mystery like that like exactly like you

556
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,760
said it it it comes full circle in a way

557
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,120
and

558
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,080
it is fascinating to me especially that

559
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,240
you had so much energy the next day you

560
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,440
know that is so cool and so uh so so

561
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:25,760
similar to like other other cases i've

562
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,720
heard and you're right about the

563
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,720
perspective being so key from the

564
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:32,640
observation perspective like

565
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,120
each individual when when something goes

566
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,360
down let's just say it that way it's

567
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:40,080
amazing how different the memories can

568
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:41,039
be

569
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,919
um

570
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,480
and you know i've i can relate with that

571
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,320
and it's interesting

572
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,440
that everybody had similar experiences

573
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,760
but not similar recollections of the

574
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,039
experiences

575
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,960
did uh

576
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:57,120
did you happen to go i know some may

577
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,640
have gone through hypnosis did you

578
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,520
happen to do the hypnosis at all april

579
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:04,320
you know i didn't um and it's not it's

580
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,600
not because

581
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:07,120
you know i'm really afraid of it

582
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,640
unlocking anything i just i am

583
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,159
it's weird when it comes to the ranch i

584
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,600
just have this feeling that at some

585
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,240
point it's going to reveal whatever

586
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,760
whatever happened to me will reveal

587
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,320
itself in some way um hopefully not a

588
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,320
traumatic one i just don't want to

589
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,919
have to go through something

590
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,960
um

591
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,120
that

592
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,559
you know isn't isn't my brain isn't

593
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,200
ready to really kind of grapple with um

594
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,880
yeah and that's you know a lot of people

595
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,640
that have offered to do that i've

596
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,159
undergone different types of experiments

597
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,320
as far as like emdr and

598
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,400
and different psychotherapy things to

599
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,240
just try and figure some things out but

600
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,039
as far as hypnosis goes i just never

601
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:46,880
never did that now my boyfriend at the

602
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,840
time like i said who who had experienced

603
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,440
this strange thing that he said flew

604
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,720
into his face

605
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,840
he um

606
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,600
i think he had undergone some stuff but

607
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,200
we didn't really keep in touch we broke

608
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,440
up fairly quickly after that experience

609
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,200
and sure it wouldn't be until a couple

610
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,799
years after that

611
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,039
that we reconnected and sat down at a

612
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,520
meal where he told me that uh

613
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,720
he was

614
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,120
suffering from brain cancer and he

615
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,280
attributed it entirely

616
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,520
to what happened at the ranch and his

617
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,760
his quote-unquote chaos magic that he

618
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:19,280
had done and that he had regretted doing

619
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,080
that

620
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,760
uh which was really frightening to have

621
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,880
somebody

622
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,159
say that you know they thought that the

623
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,159
ranch kind of clapped back at them and

624
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:28,799
um he actually did succumb to his his

625
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,080
cancer a few years ago so yeah but he

626
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,760
believed at least he told me he believed

627
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,200
that it was because of what had happened

628
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,360
out at the ranch and and you know he

629
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:39,039
wanted to share more details about his

630
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,480
experience with me i just wasn't really

631
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:42,000
interested in hearing it i put the ranch

632
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,960
kind of

633
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,120
um in the back of my mind and it's in a

634
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,360
lot of ways uh it's still it's still

635
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,799
there um

636
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,720
it's always there hopefully if at some

637
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,400
point you know there's some purpose in

638
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:55,039
having me know what happened to me or if

639
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,559
i really did go missing then then i'll

640
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,000
find that out on my own i just don't

641
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,400
want to poke the bear i guess yeah what

642
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,320
i'm trying to say and he's one of my

643
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,679
heroes

644
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,960
he

645
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,200
is

646
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:10,240
one of my heroes in a lot of senses but

647
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,080
yes um a very tragic case and yeah there

648
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,480
is injury that can take place and i've

649
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,679
heard from

650
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,080
without naming names very sure

651
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,840
intelligent people that you know each

652
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,280
time you have an experience like that

653
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,600
you give a little piece of yourself

654
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,440
and

655
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:29,440
um i think it's really fascinating that

656
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,600
you guys saw this rectangular uh

657
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,200
i don't want to call it a craft or a

658
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,200
voice it's blackout yeah it was just

659
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:38,960
there was nothing with a void

660
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,240
right this is fascinating and and the

661
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,960
area can be much like a void and

662
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,520
you know as you said uh getting pulled

663
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,280
over on the way up there that's very

664
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,240
precognitive and a lot of uh people

665
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,000
smarter than myself have called it a

666
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,000
precognitive intelligence that roams a

667
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,360
landscape and

668
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,200
it's almost i heard someone else call it

669
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,360
a pre-cellular replicon which is like

670
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:04,000
what but yeah yeah yeah there's

671
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,360
something it appears as if something can

672
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,360
manifest itself and not only that but

673
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,760
adjust space and time in a way where it

674
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,159
knows what you're going to do before you

675
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,520
do it

676
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,960
did you have any experiences with

677
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,200
anything like that

678
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,679
no you know other than being pulled over

679
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,760
uh and me kind of recognizing at the

680
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,919
time that that was strange uh because

681
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,679
like i said we weren't breaking any laws

682
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,159
and and and two i forgot to mention all

683
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,600
of us you know we didn't want to be seen

684
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,799
when we were out there at night so we're

685
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,720
dressed in black we're you know there's

686
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,480
cases of equipment in my car like

687
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,400
there's all these indications that we're

688
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,919
up to something right and so when the

689
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,440
police officers

690
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,159
um asked us you know where we were going

691
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,760
or what we were doing that they didn't

692
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,919
want to look into anything they didn't

693
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,000
ask us about our it was really strange

694
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,000
they kind of were like uh-huh okay like

695
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,000
just letting us know that that we were

696
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,000
being watched and even the entire time

697
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,120
we were out

698
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,600
on the perimeter of the ranch we had

699
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,080
eyes on us we all could feel it um we

700
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,559
had locals i believe trying to warn us

701
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,159
to get out of the area by

702
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,000
driving their trucks and their dogs were

703
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,159
barking at us and it was just it was

704
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,200
just a really sort of um the energy

705
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,520
at the time and i just i didn't feel

706
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,360
entirely comfortable i wasn't scared per

707
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,480
se but it

708
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,159
it just seemed to know

709
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,840
like with the emotions the fluctuation

710
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,760
of emotions it just seemed to have fun

711
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,919
it i don't know what it is it's super

712
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,279
heavy i like to just call it the ranch

713
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,159
because that's just how i see it but it

714
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,320
just seemed to know how to manipulate us

715
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,440
and how to

716
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,559
um

717
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,480
affect us in different ways at the same

718
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,960
time and i had never experienced that

719
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,520
before or afterward in any other sort of

720
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,960
investigation

721
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,960
of anything supernatural so

722
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,559
to me the ranch is very specific that

723
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,840
way that it's

724
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:51,760
not only is every kind of phenomenon

725
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,559
reported out there

726
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,640
but it seems to be able to

727
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,520
manifest itself as something that

728
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,799
would scare someone in different ways

729
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,240
like i've been asked what what do i

730
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,520
think is happening out on the ranch what

731
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,840
do i think it is the secret out there

732
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,799
and

733
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,120
my idea isn't like everyone else's at

734
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,440
least as far as i know um they want to

735
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,279
tackle it from scientific views or

736
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,679
whatnot what i believe it is

737
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,760
is there something out there that likes

738
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,120
to manifest

739
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,720
your greatest fear so if you're scared

740
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:22,080
of seeing little green men that's what

741
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,360
you'll see if you're scared of seeing

742
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,600
dire wolves that's what you'll see if

743
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,320
you're scared of uh you know going

744
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,440
missing in the middle of the night that

745
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,919
might happen and so i think i think it

746
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,559
just finds a way to

747
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,799
to manipulate your fears or your

748
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,960
anxieties and and then people assign

749
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,960
things like oh it's a huge ufo place and

750
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,760
that may be there may be actual ufos out

751
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,840
there i have never seen one that's not

752
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,840
my experience

753
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,840
but what i've seen are things that did

754
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,159
kind of rattle me and then you know the

755
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,360
people that were with me saw different

756
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,679
things they even reported seeing a giant

757
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,720
bird

758
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,799
i i've never seen that

759
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,640
but they said it was like pterodactyl

760
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,360
huge this this bird that they saw flying

761
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,799
through the sky and no one had ever told

762
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:06,159
me that at the time that they'd seen

763
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:06,880
that

764
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,520
can't like i said i can't discount

765
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,480
um

766
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,559
what they were seeing i think whatever

767
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,320
knew we were coming kind of thought well

768
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,520
these are the games i'm going to play

769
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,279
and this is how it's going to play out

770
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,080
and then afterward i was warned never to

771
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,679
do it again so

772
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,279
you know it's just it's a unique

773
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,600
experience it's a unique place um i know

774
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,679
there are other places claiming to be

775
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,960
like that in different parts of the

776
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,400
country but

777
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,720
i would have to visit them to to even

778
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,320
half believe that that could be possible

779
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:38,159
because this place is just off the

780
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,200
charts

781
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,520
crazy

782
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,840
it's dynamite and i agree

783
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,760
i have a gentleman that's coming on the

784
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,520
podcast here on

785
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,279
shortly his name is

786
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,400
uh

787
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,799
james trey hudson and he did something

788
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,159
called the meadows project and like you

789
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:56,000
said there's a lot of places that claim

790
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,039
to be

791
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:00,799
similar to skinwalker ranch and uh

792
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:03,840
but i'm with you i i agree to some

793
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:07,760
extent that it exponentially multiplies

794
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:11,039
on phobias or belief systems yeah for

795
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:11,840
sure

796
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,120
it is it it is definitely a precognitive

797
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,360
intelligence as many have called it in

798
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:18,559
the past

799
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,440
and

800
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,039
uh you know

801
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,279
it's interesting i loved what you said

802
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,600
about you know did somebody do this

803
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,200
because they knew we were coming because

804
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,039
it's like a display

805
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:31,440
and i've had people

806
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,200
totally like you said uh go to the area

807
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,200
let's just say they went to the area

808
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,960
very skeptical

809
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,039
and during the

810
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,440
experience that they had they

811
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
they finally looked at me and said this

812
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,600
this would have cost millions of dollars

813
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,720
to

814
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:51,279
do this kind of display and it's like

815
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:52,159
well

816
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:52,960
you know

817
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,840
and uh they think but it's it's hard you

818
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:01,360
have to go into it as a skeptic and i'm

819
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,399
glad that you

820
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,720
often do that and try to debunk things

821
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,320
because it's one of those areas that is

822
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,840
so dynamic and dynamite that it it there

823
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:11,760
is definitely an exchange that takes

824
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,840
place between the display and observer

825
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,760
um let's go into some other stuff so you

826
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,200
were in texas for quite a while and

827
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,600
you've done a lot of very deep

828
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,440
investigation as much as i would love to

829
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,799
stay on the skinwalker aspect forever

830
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:28,480
tell us about some of the interesting

831
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,919
areas in texas and what you've

832
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,159
encountered there as well

833
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,440
well uh

834
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,880
two things about texas that first come

835
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,360
to mind in the 25 plus years that i've

836
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,559
been doing

837
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,960
paranormal or spirit investigation

838
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,279
i had never until that point had a

839
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,320
demonic case which you know reality tv

840
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,679
would have you believe they happen more

841
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,080
often than not but they don't right i

842
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,440
only had the one case uh and it was in a

843
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,399
a very rural part of texas in a in a

844
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:58,000
mobile home that had been refurbished

845
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,200
and um

846
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,039
a family had

847
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,520
they had a little girl that uh she was

848
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,200
four or five at the time

849
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,039
and she started saying that it started

850
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,880
slowly but she she started seeing

851
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,360
another little girl in the house

852
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:13,200
and she was making friends with her and

853
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,640
talking and her parents thought she just

854
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,640
had an imaginary friend and

855
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:17,840
and then it just sort of kind of

856
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,320
escalated this over you know a year's

857
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,559
time this little girl began

858
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,799
getting physically accosted at night and

859
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,000
her parents were afraid that they were

860
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,480
going to be you know accused of abusing

861
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,799
her uh and so they you know they put up

862
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,279
cameras they did all kinds of things to

863
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:34,960
try and and see what was happening with

864
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,000
her and you know there was a point where

865
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,840
several nights in a row all of the the

866
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,360
daughter's bedroom furniture would end

867
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,960
up against the door by morning and

868
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,080
there's no way a four-year-old

869
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,559
five-year-old girl could do that

870
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,080
so they were they were pretty desperate

871
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,159
nobody seemed to believe uh what was

872
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,240
happening and so investigating that case

873
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,279
um

874
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,760
sadly i mean it was it was pretty

875
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,360
obvious that whatever there was was

876
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,200
pretty um

877
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,880
i hate to use the word demonic but it

878
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,640
was i mean it was very aggressive it was

879
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,480
very dark it was very

880
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,480
um

881
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,480
it wanted to put on a show and frighten

882
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,159
people and and my team

883
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,200
did that uh quite a bit and you know we

884
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,279
got all kinds of audio of

885
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,200
different voices talking at the same

886
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,600
time saying different things and and we

887
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,120
saw people walking up and down the

888
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,200
hallways while we were in there and it

889
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,559
was just a very oppressive type feeling

890
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,080
and you know when when we told the

891
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,600
family we really do think you have a

892
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,520
legitimate problem

893
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,919
um you know we reached out to every

894
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,799
faith-based organization every single

895
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,600
one whether it be you know catholicism

896
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,880
buddhism

897
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,039
mormonism all of these different

898
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,640
faith-based systems and nobody was

899
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,559
willing to help that family not a single

900
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,520
one of them

901
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,520
right or willing to go in there and you

902
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,039
know do whatever whether it's called a

903
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,640
blessing exorcism

904
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,720
uh clearing whatever nobody was willing

905
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:56,080
to help them and so in doing the

906
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,039
research

907
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,880
behind their home because it has only

908
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,240
happened when they moved into this

909
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,919
refurbished

910
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:03,600
mobile home

911
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,630
another place in texas where had been

912
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,000
used as a prostitution den a child sex

913
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,919
trafficking ring

914
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:17,600
all kinds of drugs happened a suspected

915
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,960
murder had happened in that house and

916
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,080
according to the law at the time they

917
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,279
didn't have to disclose that by

918
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,640
refurbishing they could just refurbish

919
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,919
it and sell it and they'd try to tell

920
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,240
anybody what had occurred in the home

921
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,080
and so we presented that information to

922
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,720
the family and uh along with the fact

923
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,600
that

924
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,279
nobody was willing to help try to rid

925
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:37,360
their home of whatever was happening

926
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:38,159
and

927
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,240
i never found out if the family that

928
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,159
moved into it had an issue but the

929
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,080
little girl was was fine nothing

930
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:48,000
followed her and so far she's had a

931
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,960
great

932
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:51,120
uh calm life growing up after they've

933
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,399
left that house but that was the only

934
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,080
demonic case

935
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,840
that i've ever

936
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,360
encountered i've had negative cases but

937
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,640
those are two distinctly different

938
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,000
things you know just because something's

939
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,080
negative doesn't make it evil so

940
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,679
i think that's a huge distinction that

941
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,120
people need to learn especially in the

942
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,120
spirit communication and

943
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,720
investigation realm just because

944
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,840
something is negative doesn't

945
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,080
necessarily mean it's of the devil yeah

946
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,440
because i know a lot of people that are

947
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,120
super negative it doesn't mean they're

948
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,640
people it doesn't mean they're bad

949
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,320
people right but you know other than

950
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,279
that my the my most profound case in

951
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:23,120
texas which

952
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,840
i'm super grateful that i had um was

953
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,679
i it took me a long time to develop a

954
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,120
relationship with the texas department

955
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,720
of criminal justice but i really wanted

956
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,640
to do that because i'd heard

957
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,760
that

958
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,000
the old death row and the current

959
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,240
execution chamber was haunted

960
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,760
so of course i wanted to investigate

961
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,440
that and it took me a number of years to

962
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,679
gain their trust but they did actually

963
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,519
allow me into their working prisons

964
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,279
called the walls or huntsville

965
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,120
penitentiary in huntsville texas the

966
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,279
oldest prison in the state

967
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,320
and it's still where they um execute

968
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,960
people today it's the most um

969
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,360
active chamber in the country

970
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,440
and so they walked me in and they locked

971
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,240
me in for a night nice

972
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,519
and it's a working prison so you can

973
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,760
imagine they walk me through the yard of

974
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,600
all these inmates working out and things

975
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,440
are being yelled at me and whatever and

976
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,760
i'm sure and the guards on the ground

977
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,000
don't have weapons only the guards up up

978
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,919
on the turrets have have weapons in case

979
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,919
they get overtaken so i mean i didn't

980
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,000
really feel protected but i i got locked

981
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:26,799
in and and got to spend some time

982
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:29,919
in the old death row uh hearing

983
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,519
screaming i experienced apparitions i

984
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,159
it just it smells

985
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,720
just crazy activity happened in there uh

986
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:40,159
and then they took me to the the current

987
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,279
death house

988
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,559
where i think just two or three days

989
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,880
before they had executed someone whoa

990
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,840
and uh left me in there for a night

991
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,559
so

992
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,720
it was it was terrifying um

993
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,120
sadly there hasn't been much of a

994
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,120
follow-up with that because

995
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,799
a certain and without naming names a

996
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,399
certain television show had read an

997
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,919
article i'd written about my experience

998
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,320
there and had used my name to

999
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,120
um get access to other buildings and and

1000
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,640
now the texas department of criminal

1001
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,560
justice will no longer allow any sort of

1002
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:09,760
paranormal investigation of their

1003
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,599
buildings because oh man so sadly um you

1004
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,440
know working all that time to get their

1005
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,879
trust i still have their trust they

1006
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,960
trust me just fine but there are other

1007
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,159
good people in the field that should be

1008
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,560
able to go in and investigate

1009
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,480
you know buildings and especially with

1010
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,040
such historical value um and the people

1011
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,639
that have a shadier

1012
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,879
type of agenda in this field they kind

1013
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,879
of ruin it for people but

1014
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,639
that one for me was something that

1015
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,000
nobody else had done i was the only

1016
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,240
paranormal investigator uh that had ever

1017
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:40,000
done that and

1018
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,119
you know

1019
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,480
places that get investigated all the

1020
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,879
time um you know like the stanley hotel

1021
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,679
or the queen mary or these famously

1022
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:49,040
haunted places well this one was a

1023
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,320
famously haunted place that nobody else

1024
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,560
had investigated so i think in texas

1025
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,320
that was probably my my biggest

1026
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,919
accomplishment and one of the most

1027
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,480
profound experiences that i've had

1028
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,440
that's amazing that is amazing it is

1029
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,160
texas has a ton of stuff and coming back

1030
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,640
to utah utah has from a historical

1031
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,119
perspective a ton of things

1032
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,079
have you come across any amazing from a

1033
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,400
historical perspective areas in utah

1034
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,400
that you have investigated and could you

1035
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,240
share some of those stories

1036
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:20,400
sure um one place that isn't really well

1037
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,359
known

1038
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,880
was a place called the home of truth and

1039
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:25,599
it was just outside of monticello utah

1040
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,720
and i was just doing research about

1041
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,280
historical ghost towns in utah because

1042
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,880
besides being into the paranormal i just

1043
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,960
i'm a history buff and so i was doing

1044
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,240
some research and found out that the

1045
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,040
home of truth was was a cult

1046
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,040
uh forgive me for not knowing the exact

1047
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:42,960
dates but it was you know

1048
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:46,320
early 19th or early 20th century

1049
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,320
um this woman marie ogden established a

1050
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,599
faith-based group out there called the

1051
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,599
home of truth and she claimed that she

1052
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,280
could

1053
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:57,040
not only speak with people on the other

1054
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,320
side of the veil but that she could

1055
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,800
resurrect the dead

1056
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,880
and so a group of people moved out there

1057
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,920
they stopped they made a little

1058
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:05,440
homestead out there they you know

1059
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,480
established a life and then one of their

1060
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,800
followers passed away and she kept the

1061
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,800
body from her

1062
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,760
her

1063
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,440
from the family

1064
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,240
of this woman and tried to resurrect her

1065
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,240
for quite a long time and then the

1066
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,480
authorities got involved and she refused

1067
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,320
to tell them where the body was and so i

1068
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,720
had i had to go out there i had to see

1069
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,480
this place um

1070
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,320
and there's nothing out there now it's

1071
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,880
it's just some old you know ramshackle

1072
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:34,480
uh buildings and whatnot it's it's owned

1073
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:35,200
by

1074
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,480
it's privately owned now so you can't

1075
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:38,800
just go out on the property now but when

1076
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,290
i went um

1077
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,359
[Music]

1078
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:43,040
you know just passing through if you

1079
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,400
didn't know what had happened there you

1080
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:46,240
would still feel

1081
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,839
something that had been either conjured

1082
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,440
or called out there that still remained

1083
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,119
out there so there's a very heavy sort

1084
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,040
of um

1085
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,800
energy out there and and when i

1086
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,320
investigated it like a lot of other

1087
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,720
places you know equipment failed it

1088
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,400
would like i couldn't record anything or

1089
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,839
by the time i was able to review it it

1090
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,040
was all white

1091
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,400
uh batteries died yeah um and a lot of

1092
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:10,000
these places i investigate by myself so

1093
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,520
there wasn't anybody else to corroborate

1094
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,040
you know that sort of feeling or whatnot

1095
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,440
when i was out there but it's just it's

1096
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,880
one of those places i'd love to get back

1097
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,359
to um and maybe maybe it is you know

1098
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,720
maybe there are spirits there that can

1099
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,320
tell us what happened but it's just i

1100
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,480
think this woman was very much into

1101
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,800
the darker side of the occult um

1102
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,800
and so you know when you get into that

1103
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:30,400
kind of thing you kind of open things up

1104
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,520
and and i know that there are people

1105
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,960
that have done that even at the ranch

1106
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,280
that have opened things up so i just i

1107
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,599
would caution anyone just not to try to

1108
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:39,920
provoke anything uh going into any sort

1109
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,880
of spiritual or paranormal um

1110
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,640
property but that's one of the ones that

1111
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,720
most people don't know that much about

1112
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,599
um

1113
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,359
there's famous ghosts like the the

1114
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,040
capital theater in salt lake city they

1115
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,760
they have you know like most theaters

1116
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,320
but it's legitimately haunted um

1117
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,400
that's a fun place to have gone i think

1118
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,640
solitaire is also a fascinating story i

1119
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:01,839
don't know if you know much about the

1120
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,880
history yes out on the great salt lake

1121
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,440
um that place is off the chain

1122
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,640
resort you know in the west for a long

1123
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:12,400
period of time and

1124
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,280
it was

1125
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,640
built out of wood

1126
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,320
i mean it burned i think a total of

1127
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,520
three times

1128
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,160
to the ground um and now it's it's kind

1129
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,599
of a shadow of what it used to be but

1130
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,520
there's a lot of history there too

1131
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,480
um

1132
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,480
there's a faceless man out there that

1133
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,680
people have told me they see when

1134
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,359
they're out walking around the grounds

1135
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,960
or you know around the edge of the great

1136
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,520
salt lake where this it's like a

1137
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,000
faceless man in a suit approaches them

1138
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,160
and and they just are kind of paralyzed

1139
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,320
out there now i don't know who he is

1140
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,400
i i have not seen him personally but a

1141
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,160
lot of people who aren't even into

1142
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,599
paranormal investigation have told me

1143
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,839
the story and and so that's something i

1144
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,520
really want to delve into in the future

1145
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,800
and i'm actually doing that there's

1146
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,000
there's a new book coming out called

1147
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,800
carnival of souls nice uh utah's history

1148
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,280
with the unexplained um that'll all have

1149
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,680
that that story as well but you know

1150
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,880
it's

1151
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,599
i think utah gets downplayed a lot um

1152
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,599
and i i don't know if it's just because

1153
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,359
of the religious kind of cloud that

1154
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,119
hangs over the state

1155
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,200
um but you know there are places that

1156
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,839
even the the lds church owns now that i

1157
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,040
would love to investigate but i'm just

1158
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,880
not allowed to

1159
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,320
uh they don't really

1160
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,480
want that sort of attention but there

1161
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,280
are places that i i know have some

1162
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,200
historical value and supernatural value

1163
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,160
as well

1164
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,760
that the church owns and i just i wish i

1165
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,240
could get into them but i i just can't i

1166
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,440
hear you

1167
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:33,760
there are a lot of those in utah utah

1168
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,200
does seem to be kind of perfectly on

1169
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,760
that that razor's edge of high

1170
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,480
strangeness on in a lot of fronts

1171
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,400
there's so many areas and kind of

1172
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,920
getting back to some of your utah

1173
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,560
experiences i'm really fascinated by

1174
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,720
your quote-unquote uh i don't want to

1175
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,320
call them men in black but it really was

1176
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,240
sort of a men in black experience in

1177
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,200
walmart it was you know it was i mean

1178
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,800
looking back on it that's i mean it kind

1179
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,640
of makes me laugh because i think

1180
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,720
did that actually happen that way to me

1181
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,960
like because if i at the time you know i

1182
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:06,000
didn't tell many people about it because

1183
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,040
i thought they're just going to laugh at

1184
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,520
me and say that i you know had this men

1185
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,960
in black well they weren't weren't

1186
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,960
wearing sunglasses and like suit jackets

1187
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,560
but they were well-dressed

1188
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,440
people men in their i would guess

1189
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:19,119
early 30s

1190
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:20,000
um

1191
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,200
and you don't you know you don't just

1192
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,720
get approached by people unless they

1193
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,000
have like a religious message or

1194
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,839
something in that kind of context but

1195
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,200
even a walmart i've never been

1196
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:30,079
approached by no you know anyone really

1197
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,359
could just

1198
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,920
tell give me a warning so it is kind of

1199
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,079
a men in black type situation i just i

1200
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,560
just don't know who they could have

1201
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,079
worked for bigelow i don't know the

1202
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,839
previous owner of the ranch it could

1203
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:44,000
have just been people who wanted to get

1204
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,520
a rise out of me i'm like oh she lives

1205
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,359
in texas so we can just have friends go

1206
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,200
and do this like i really don't know but

1207
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,800
to me it felt

1208
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,400
very um

1209
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,400
very aggressive and very real it didn't

1210
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,000
seem like a joke to me

1211
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,599
and

1212
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,960
so yeah i mean that was one of the

1213
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,800
reasons why it took me so many years to

1214
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,480
go back to the ranch and

1215
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,960
and when i actually did

1216
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,280
the ranch welcomed me so it wasn't i

1217
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:09,200
didn't feel i i had some anticipation

1218
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,640
that this was going to be awful and it

1219
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,000
just wasn't so

1220
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,839
to this day i don't know who those

1221
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,920
people were or what their agenda really

1222
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,800
was uh why they were sent why i

1223
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,240
shouldn't go back i never got any

1224
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,720
explanation for any of that

1225
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,760
yeah

1226
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,839
and

1227
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,800
to your point um as far as who they may

1228
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,800
have been we'll we will never know but

1229
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,880
it i think it's it's a it's a very

1230
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,280
interesting experience and

1231
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,640
you know the

1232
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,240
the powers that be whoever they are

1233
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,839
whenever they're involved with these

1234
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,800
sorts of situations

1235
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,800
it's hard to underestimate them because

1236
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,760
i mean bigelow's no joke uh none of the

1237
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:50,640
people involved are a joke and

1238
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,240
i remember many cases where i thought

1239
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,839
you know you get kind of you know you're

1240
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,359
like did i really is there really

1241
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,079
somebody parked outside of my house in a

1242
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:03,760
black stout suburban and

1243
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,640
and you know only years later did i find

1244
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,720
out uh you know by befriending this

1245
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,000
individual

1246
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,560
that in fact yes they were involved and

1247
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,319
yes they were parked outside of my house

1248
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,560
so this stuff does happen i mean april

1249
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:18,079
it's wild that this happened to you

1250
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,200
especially

1251
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,400
so many states away uh yeah and you know

1252
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:24,560
neighboring properties uh i've talked to

1253
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,520
neighbors in and around this um hot spot

1254
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,680
of utah that have encountered similar

1255
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,440
things like where people will come in

1256
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,119
the middle of the night dressed all in

1257
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,040
black and they'll be looking for

1258
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,200
something on their property and

1259
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,640
you know it's it's sort of uh

1260
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:42,319
one case in particular that comes to

1261
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,680
mind well

1262
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,680
it really doesn't matter this happens on

1263
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,160
on a frequencies and there are

1264
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,640
there are these levels of government

1265
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,520
which are technically above us and

1266
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,040
you know you're sitting there thinking

1267
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,960
do i call bia or the police and at the

1268
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,119
time you realize that you know neither

1269
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,720
of those are at the level of what you're

1270
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,760
witnessing

1271
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:02,960
and

1272
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,800
um one gentleman who has come forward

1273
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,119
said that he literally had to get like

1274
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,440
his own security forces was happening so

1275
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,079
often and he's wow yeah he's of native

1276
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,440
american descent and has a really good

1277
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,720
chunk of land

1278
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,599
and

1279
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,119
you know he said you know middle of the

1280
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,520
night these crazy but you know you hear

1281
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,839
these stories so often but i it's rare

1282
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,359
that you hear one

1283
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,040
that is so displaced like yours where

1284
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,720
it's like states away

1285
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,160
and

1286
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,839
that just fascinated me when i heard

1287
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,960
about that

1288
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,800
well you know another thing too that in

1289
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,560
tech i was in texas like i said because

1290
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,880
i visited utah and then i went back i

1291
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,440
had a book signing not long after that

1292
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,359
incident with the people in walmart for

1293
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,200
the ghost hunting texas book and i was

1294
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,560
in houston

1295
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,680
in the middle of the day i think it was

1296
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,520
a borders bookstore that those have all

1297
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,440
closed now but at the time

1298
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,800
they were doing book findings and i was

1299
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,839
in houston

1300
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,440
and had this long line of people waiting

1301
00:44:00,950 --> 00:44:00,079
to get the ghostline texas book signed

1302
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,960
and

1303
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:02,079
you know

1304
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,680
i hadn't written articles about the

1305
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,599
ranch yet that wasn't you know widely

1306
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,800
known but

1307
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,720
i an experience with someone coming up

1308
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,560
to my table and people laugh when i

1309
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,920
describe this individual but it's the

1310
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:13,760
only way i know how to do it he looked

1311
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,720
like a hispanic danny devito uh darker

1312
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,400
skin same height

1313
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,079
pretty much like the same face hair do

1314
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,480
everything he looked exactly like

1315
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,640
danny devito just a more dark complexion

1316
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,640
and when he approached the table mind

1317
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,800
you there was probably 40 or 50 other

1318
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,240
people around

1319
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,599
um

1320
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:33,119
you know i asked who would you like me

1321
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,480
to sign the book to he didn't say

1322
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,920
anything to me and the two people at the

1323
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,359
table with me

1324
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,680
witnessed what i witnessed and he looked

1325
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,760
at me he was looking right at me but

1326
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,720
another set of eyes moved behind his

1327
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,599
eyes

1328
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,839
and they didn't look human at all

1329
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,119
so people were freaked out they were

1330
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,640
like what

1331
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,560
what's in there like i i don't know but

1332
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,920
i'm not comfortable being around this

1333
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,240
individual please ha i had to ask them

1334
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:00,400
to have him leave sure because that made

1335
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,240
me that uncomfortable um and

1336
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,160
the entire time since i was at the ranch

1337
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,160
till now i still believe

1338
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,000
that that had something to do with it as

1339
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,319
well that that was a warning sign or

1340
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,800
that was a sort of a sign of aggression

1341
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,560
uh to not

1342
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,800
delve further into it and i didn't

1343
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,480
like i said until many years later but i

1344
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,240
just kept having these weird

1345
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,480
experiences where

1346
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,319
it just averaged my average day i'm not

1347
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,640
even doing anything and then i'm just

1348
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,640
getting reminders that you know i

1349
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,400
shouldn't have been there or maybe

1350
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,400
i did something wrong by going

1351
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,400
um and so i just

1352
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,400
i yeah i just i wrote about it and i let

1353
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,119
it go um until people started having

1354
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,119
much more of an interest in it but you

1355
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,880
know it's it's a it's a tough subject

1356
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,319
when you want to tell someone hey you

1357
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,079
know i normally

1358
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,319
do ghost investigations but maybe i saw

1359
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,920
a reptilian at my book signing like they

1360
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,440
don't think you're all there when you

1361
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,119
say things like that but

1362
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,800
when they actually happen to you when

1363
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,520
you have these strange things happen

1364
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,440
you wish you couldn't believe it but it

1365
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,079
it happened and so you know i don't get

1366
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,520
scared by much there's not a lot that

1367
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,720
rattles me

1368
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,359
but that did uh and so did the people in

1369
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,280
walmart so and i haven't had anything

1370
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,040
since then that i can recall or that i

1371
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,040
would recognize as being connected

1372
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,200
uh but you know it's it's a different

1373
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,119
time now there's new owners there's a

1374
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,640
whole different group of people out

1375
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,680
there yeah uh land has exchanged you

1376
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,839
know hands and so you know i don't i

1377
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,599
don't really know what the future holds

1378
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,200
as far as that goes or if the ranch is

1379
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,800
going to show up

1380
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,480
at some point with people and vehicles

1381
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,760
outside of my house i mean i wouldn't be

1382
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,760
surprised if that happened it just

1383
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,079
hasn't been my experience yet but i'm

1384
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,720
always aware that

1385
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,880
something is aware of me

1386
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,680
and my interest in it uh and you know so

1387
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:47,040
i'm always keeping an eye out and i

1388
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,480
think that's just a smart thing to do

1389
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,599
with anybody who's interested in this

1390
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:51,040
stuff or who chases after it you just

1391
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,000
have to be

1392
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,680
aware of your surroundings at all times

1393
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:55,200
because weird things can happen to you

1394
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,480
in the middle of the day

1395
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,319
at any point in time

1396
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,960
and be connected to the experiences

1397
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,319
you've had in the past and i find that

1398
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,680
especially true uh with the ranch

1399
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,839
absolutely and these hot spots i mean

1400
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,599
many hot spots i always like to think of

1401
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,480
them as diamonds or gems because

1402
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,319
there's many facets like you just

1403
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,440
mentioned to the enigma and the way you

1404
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,119
know perception the way light shines

1405
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,559
through a

1406
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,720
gemstone or a diamond you're gonna see

1407
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,480
something different depending on where

1408
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,960
you are looking at it from

1409
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,119
and right a lot of people like to think

1410
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,559
these things are perfectly explained and

1411
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:32,960
declassified foia things and and you

1412
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,720
know i i loved when uh the

1413
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,280
new york times came out and uh

1414
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200
you know much props to ralph blumenthal

1415
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,960
and those involved with the keene

1416
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,839
when they came out with you know amazing

1417
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,839
amazing uh

1418
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,000
you know forthright

1419
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,800
admissions of you know atip and ossap

1420
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,640
and all these amazing government

1421
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:56,240
programs that were centered in and

1422
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,200
around

1423
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,520
some of these areas of interest but

1424
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,119
to your point

1425
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,800
it's it's fascinating i remember a uh

1426
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,520
a situation where i was with uh believe

1427
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,680
it or not i was with my best friend who

1428
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,040
is a pastor

1429
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,280
and my mother of all people and we were

1430
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,359
near rachel nevada and they wanted to go

1431
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,200
see the gate

1432
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,680
at area 51 i was a little like uh it's

1433
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,680
just a gate you know it's just right

1434
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,760
right why'd it come on it's just a gate

1435
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,760
nothing good can come of this

1436
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,079
and uh i remember driving out to the

1437
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,240
gate and

1438
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,160
just as we approached the gate before we

1439
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,520
got there there was a i believe lady

1440
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:37,040
very weathered

1441
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:38,000
tall

1442
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,359
slender

1443
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,240
with a backpack walking it appeared out

1444
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:43,839
of the base

1445
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,119
nobody around and um it just reminds me

1446
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,520
this danny devito story i i remember we

1447
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,520
all pat we passed her and we were all

1448
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,319
looking like where are what what why are

1449
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:55,760
you

1450
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,200
leaving this compound

1451
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,599
and you don't look

1452
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,760
like for lack of a better word all that

1453
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,480
human and

1454
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,240
uh we tried to rise above the occasion

1455
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,240
we went and turned around and we had

1456
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:12,720
water in the vehicle and sure enough uh

1457
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,480
turned around went back towards the uh

1458
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,079
individual and

1459
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,920
handed them a bottle of water through

1460
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,920
the window

1461
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,280
and there were no words exchanged

1462
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,559
whatsoever

1463
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,880
they they accepted it's so strange when

1464
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,880
these things happen and and you can't

1465
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,440
look too deeply into them but oh my gosh

1466
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,319
do they ever happen i agree with you 100

1467
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,319
um

1468
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,559
getting back to these precognitive

1469
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,400
intelligences have have you encountered

1470
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,960
any other intelligences and other hot

1471
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,680
spots uh or haunted locations that

1472
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,119
really made you kind of scratch your

1473
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,800
head and make you wonder you know what's

1474
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,640
going on with the matrix or the fabric

1475
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,119
of our reality

1476
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,960
well yeah i mean there have been places

1477
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,400
one of my very favorite

1478
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,040
uh haunts the first one i actually

1479
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,720
considered investigating outside of my

1480
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,000
childhood home was a place called the

1481
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,640
lehigh hospital in lehi utah no longer

1482
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,920
standing

1483
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,680
they demolished it several years ago but

1484
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,160
i spent so much time in there uh

1485
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,400
investigating and over time i noticed

1486
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:16,319
that the phenomena would know when i was

1487
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,200
coming

1488
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:19,040
like it would just know like if i didn't

1489
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,319
have a plan

1490
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,079
to go one day and then i'm like all

1491
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,280
right i'm just gonna go spend the night

1492
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,599
in the hospital it would be like

1493
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,000
i'd get there and and

1494
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,920
you know my recordings or whatnot be

1495
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,920
like we were expecting you

1496
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,440
this is going to happen tonight i'm like

1497
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,440
what this no that's not going to happen

1498
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,160
um for instance there was a

1499
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,400
i think it was the deseret news or daily

1500
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,839
herald one of the two they had sent out

1501
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,160
some reporters because of the activity

1502
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,680
reported in the in the hospital and they

1503
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,680
wanted to go through

1504
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,200
uh with me

1505
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,800
and kind of

1506
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:53,920
get a feel for the for the hospital and

1507
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,559
you know i i had been told previously

1508
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,920
that

1509
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,760
by by whatever is in the hospital

1510
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,119
spirits ghost whatever you want to call

1511
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:02,960
them

1512
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,920
i would be escorting people through when

1513
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,160
something happened never does anything

1514
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,240
happen when i want it to like never it

1515
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,920
just doesn't work that way you don't you

1516
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,280
don't get to tell them you know

1517
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,760
paranormal when to perform right so

1518
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,359
i just thought this isn't no that's not

1519
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,520
true well you know this this crew came

1520
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,040
in with me and we were in a certain part

1521
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,599
of the hospital where they had an old

1522
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,440
um

1523
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,280
original mirror from one of the hospital

1524
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,800
rooms and

1525
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,119
this face just appeared through it it's

1526
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,400
kind of like you would think you see

1527
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:33,280
something like that in the haunted

1528
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,480
mansion at disneyland you know this kind

1529
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,800
of holographic face coming up through

1530
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,920
glass

1531
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,559
and it it would change positions and

1532
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,319
you know different angles and peer out

1533
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,720
at us and look at us and

1534
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,000
you know

1535
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,359
they tried to figure out how is this

1536
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,960
happening there's no strings attached no

1537
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,200
wires no projectors nothing and then

1538
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,200
after the whole incident was over you

1539
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,119
know the ghost i told you i told you

1540
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,720
this was going to happen but you know

1541
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,319
you were going to have a show for for

1542
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,400
people when you and i'm like wait

1543
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,760
how did you even know i didn't even know

1544
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,640
i was going to bring these people

1545
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,559
through until last minute so

1546
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,960
there are there does seem to be um

1547
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,400
you know

1548
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,599
some sort of

1549
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,920
predictive intelligence that can that

1550
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:13,280
can tell

1551
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,800
how you're even going to behave before

1552
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,240
you know it and uh

1553
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,760
it does happen occasionally i wouldn't

1554
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,079
say it happens a lot at least not in my

1555
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,960
experience um if i spend more time in

1556
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,800
places like the ranch it might but you

1557
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,880
know who knows but it does happen and it

1558
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,720
does make me think okay

1559
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,319
just do we have to worry about

1560
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,319
predestination is this do i have

1561
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,000
reagency or is this just all one big

1562
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,000
puppet show like it just it blows the

1563
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,559
mind um but i've learned

1564
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,559
not to be too analytical of those things

1565
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,160
and just experience them in the moment

1566
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,760
take from them what i can and then if i

1567
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,960
encounter something like that again i

1568
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,119
can compare notes but i don't i really

1569
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,480
try not to

1570
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,200
um assign any sort of

1571
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,880
you know definition to it because then

1572
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,480
it then it changes and i don't get to

1573
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,640
experience it again um and that's true

1574
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,079
across the board whether it's you know

1575
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,480
at a ufo hot spot or you know a haunted

1576
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,800
house or whatever the case may be

1577
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,720
i just think there's a higher intel

1578
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:06,000
human beings like to think we're the top

1579
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,440
of the food chain as far as intelligence

1580
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,680
goes but i really don't believe that's

1581
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,000
the case especially you know not knowing

1582
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,880
as much as we don't know uh and and i

1583
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,240
think i mean

1584
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,839
remote viewing for one that's something

1585
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,800
that i

1586
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,800
i got really interested in and practice

1587
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,400
for a while that blew my mind too like

1588
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:23,920
how how can i see something when i'm not

1589
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,480
there to see it beautiful thing

1590
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:28,319
it's a bizarre how much you can perceive

1591
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,359
and how much the mind can actually

1592
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,119
influence that kind of stuff and so i i

1593
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,079
hope i get to experience more of that um

1594
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:36,000
maybe maybe i hope i get to experience

1595
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,359
more of that i don't know it could be

1596
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,040
kind of frightening to

1597
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,800
i've had i've had

1598
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,200
warnings of things um because i do have

1599
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,960
some sensitivities like when my daughter

1600
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,280
was little one of my twin daughters i

1601
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,200
didn't know uh when she was born that

1602
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,359
she'd have the issues that she does now

1603
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,720
but i was told

1604
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,240
by someone or something when she was

1605
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,960
five months old that something big was

1606
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:58,880
coming for her medically and

1607
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,400
and it did uh five years later so

1608
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,319
i don't know you know it's i don't know

1609
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,920
where the information comes from or or

1610
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:06,960
how it's

1611
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,280
there and

1612
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,079
um but it does it it kind of

1613
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,559
makes me wonder about life and and these

1614
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,559
experiences that i'm having and you know

1615
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,599
i don't i think a lot of people have

1616
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:21,119
them and they don't talk about them as

1617
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,400
much because people do think they're

1618
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,599
kind of off their rocker when they talk

1619
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,440
about them so it's nice to have people

1620
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,119
like you or you know

1621
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,960
other enthusiasts or researchers who ask

1622
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,720
those kind of questions because

1623
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:32,160
most people don't want to know that kind

1624
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,119
of thing

1625
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,319
you know kind of

1626
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:36,400
it trips them up

1627
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,359
yes

1628
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,440
it's it's it's it's a magical moment

1629
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,000
when those when we are able to tap into

1630
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,680
like you said that higher intelligence

1631
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,680
and and realize these things

1632
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,680
april you've been one of my favorite

1633
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,920
guests ever and i knew this would happen

1634
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,880
um

1635
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,400
your views on the unknown are so

1636
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,599
appreciated

1637
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,319
let's jam into your website and what you

1638
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,680
have going on and what you have coming

1639
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,079
up in the future and where can listeners

1640
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,799
support you and keep up with your work

1641
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,240
one more time

1642
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:05,760
yeah the best place to keep up with what

1643
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,040
i'm what i'm up to is my website

1644
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,160
aprilswatter.com uh but there are a lot

1645
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,079
of new things a lot of new things coming

1646
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,520
obviously there's a lot more artwork

1647
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,599
with the slaughter skulls that that's

1648
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,559
coming in the next few months um

1649
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,160
there's like i said the new i have a new

1650
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,720
book coming out called carnival of souls

1651
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,880
which is going to come out probably at

1652
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,880
the end of january early february of

1653
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:28,319
this next year

1654
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,280
um

1655
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,280
i may or may not be involved in some

1656
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,799
television production stuff that i can't

1657
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,280
really get into at the moment but that

1658
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,720
it'll be announced on my website when i

1659
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,839
can do that

1660
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,760
and yeah i mean there's just there's

1661
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,119
writing projects there's research

1662
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,119
projects um

1663
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,720
a lot of really cool things are

1664
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,640
happening i'm also

1665
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,720
starting my own catering company outside

1666
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,559
of all this stuff too so i have my hand

1667
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,079
in a lot of different

1668
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,240
uh projects right now but you can follow

1669
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,640
me on facebook instagram tick tock i'm

1670
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,319
all over the place just look me up and

1671
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:00,720
you'll find me

1672
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,160
that is great and i am so mesmerized by

1673
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:07,040
the skulls i think i will be uh one of

1674
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,839
your

1675
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,319
i'm i'm like amazed by

1676
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,559
uh your designs and your artwork they're

1677
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:14,960
simply fantastic and uh your books are

1678
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,760
amazing thank you so much for coming on

1679
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,680
again and i hope we can hopefully chat

1680
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,160
again in the future and uh best of luck

1681
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,520
in all your endeavors i know a lot of

1682
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,920
people are rooting for you and amazed by

1683
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,839
everything that you've done and success

1684
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,280
in your catering business that sounds

1685
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,559
fantastic

1686
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,839
thank you i appreciate it for having me

1687
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:33,040
on

1688
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,880
whoa man oh man april slaughter ladies

1689
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,160
and gentlemen

1690
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:40,640
hitting like a shotgun blast against the

1691
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,480
veil of reality on a moonlit night

1692
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,440
tugging at the threads of a cardigan

1693
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,160
worn by the matrix of life it's folks

1694
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,880
like april that bring us one step closer

1695
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,880
to understanding our place in this

1696
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,160
existence

1697
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,119
and they're pushing of existential

1698
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,079
boundaries within which we live

1699
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,720
i'm a happy camper i hope you are too

1700
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,559
and you enjoyed the chat

1701
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,000
until next time

1702
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,640
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1703
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:12,559
ground but don't forget

1704
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:39,190
[Music]

1705
00:57:46,109 --> 00:57:40,710
blast off